Jump Stop

**archerwon22** · January 30th, 2007, 09:46 AM

actually no. After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot. The pivot foot may be lifted but not returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or shot. In other words, the player can lift his pivot foot and just stand doing nothing. I can imagine what some coaches and fans would scream when no whistle is blown at this point.

**imported_Rocket Scientist** · January 30th, 2007, 12:20 PM

Archer is correct on a shot or pass regarding the pivot. A player can legally lift the pivot IF the player passes or shoots the ball. The pivot foot MAY NOT be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble. (Rule 4.43.3c) [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

**gcdevil22** · January 30th, 2007, 05:37 PM

that makes no sense if you can lift it and do nothing (or essentially spin around on your "new" pivot foot) but yet you can't lift it before the ball hits the ground on a drive the bucket

**1inStripes** · January 30th, 2007, 05:47 PM

Could it be because generally a classic jump stop is taken off the dribble? Since I do not officiate bball, I don't know the terminology around some of the rules, but is it only considered a "jump stop" when dribbling. Grabbing a rebound and coming down simultaneously with both feet isn't a jump stop is it?

**1inStripes** · January 30th, 2007, 05:55 PM

Nevermind. Did google the fact that a jump stop can happen when receiving a pass. I just don't classically think of it in the same manner as I do when someone drives into the lane and performers a jump stop off of the dribble.

**gcdevil22** · January 30th, 2007, 06:24 PM

yeah im talking about when you receive a pass and establish a pivot foot, then decide to drive

**1inStripes** · January 30th, 2007, 06:28 PM

Yeah I understand. My feeble mind thinks too much of the "classic" jump stop than coming from a screen and receiving the pass on a jump stop.

January 30th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Once you establish a pivot foot, pick it up and see if the other team doesn't get the ball. You can move one foot but not both, try it in a game.

**imported_Rocket Scientist** · January 31st, 2007, 11:00 AM

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that makes no sense if you can lift it and do nothing (or essentially spin around on your "new" pivot foot) but yet you can't lift it before the ball hits the ground on a drive the bucket

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One quick note, it is a travel if the player lifts the pivot before the ball leaves the hand not touch the floor.

A lot of fans need to understand that the "Rule" is not what the official has an opinion on, it is the officials judgement as to whether the "Rule" has been violated. Good coaches and good players automatically adjust within the first few minutes of a game as to how the officials are going to call. Officials are not perfect. We make mistakes and learn from them. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer1.gif[/img]

**R0cketer** · January 31st, 2007, 02:17 PM

Albert, you make a good point but if you read some of the comments, the 'adjustment' is the problem. Players/coaches can adjust IF things are consistent. I dont even mean each game, obviously some officials are going to have a greater tendancy to call certain things or notice certain things more than others. Its the changing from one half to another or from one end to another that make that a challenge.

If someone doesn't call handchecking all night on one end, its kind of stupid to go to the other end and call it. Its also extremely stupid to go to the other end and call 3 fouls with 1:30 to go because before that the fouls were 8 to 1.

I think sometimes an official realizes he hasn't called much or maybe let more go on one end and sees the fouls as 8-1 and wants to make it look better, so less complaining is done because it ends up 8-4 or 8-5 on fouls. I appreciate the attempt, I mean you very seldom see one team commit 8 times the amount of fouls another team does, but if you wait till the very end to try and even up, it doesn't help the game situation 99% of the time.

I actually hope that the discussion of calls, and the issues/complaints that most people have, and the use of this forum in particular can help improve things. People can air their gripes a bit, and it gives officials a chance to look at what people are complaining about and try to determine if they are perhaps wrong or messing up. It also gives the officials a way to communicate some calls that people are confused about.

Most of the people who are fairly passionate know most of the rules, or at least generally. Sure you'll hear someone from the crowd yelling call a walk the entire night (even when the team they are wanting to win has the ball and obviously they dont know what a walk is) but I think most people realize that sometimes an official may not have the angle that a fan has.

I forget who said it but there was never a more truthful statement that officials should be the invisible part of the game. A game should never be 'about the officials'.